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Since: Dec 10, 2008 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:40 am
Post subject: Speed issues using FM 9 Server on Win2k3 Archived from groups: comp>databases>filemaker (more info?)
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Hi chaps,
We have just had setup a new CRM package based around Filemaker Pro 9.
However, the entire system runs like a dog. I mean slow, really slow.
A list of to-do items (coloured text) containing some 20 entries may
take around 2 minutes to appear in full. Each entry showing after
about 2 to 4 seconds.
We get lots of "not responding" when waiting for different screen
within the CRM app to load, which again can take minutes. One user
this morning timed how long it took to show a drop down menu list of
around 10 items from a form on one of the pages, that took 19 seconds
to fully show it's contents.
Now, we've been working with the CRM vendor who are miffed by the
speed issues. The FM server is running on a Windows 2003 R2 32 bit
server, 4GB of ram, Single Dual Core Xeon processor, lots of disk
space (250GB spare at the mo). The performance charts for the servers
processor, memory and disk queues (read and write) are so low as to be
non-existant (processor averages around 3%, memory averages around
900mb used and disk queues are averaging around 0.5) and it's fair to
say it's idling for most of the time.
The workstations are XP and Vista. Various specs from single P4 up to
multiple dual core processors, with 1GB minimum ram and up to 4GB.
We have setup a brand new workstation running nothing but XP Sp3 and
the CRM app (FM Pro 9). No AV, no search, no office. That also runs
like a hound.
We've updated all the drivers, firmware and bios on the server, and
the event log shows nothing wrong at all. All the diags for the disk
subsystem and network cards come back as fine, and we have also tried
all the three network cards that are on the server, in turn, and
clustered. We have also swapped out the switch (the sharp end of £1000
of 3com gigabit voip hardware) for another one and replaced all the
cables.
Given that neither us or the vendor can find an issue with the
infrastructure or hardware I think it has to be a server OS issue or a
FM9 issue.
Is there anything anyone can suggest from an FM point of view that we
could try ? The only thing I have found online so far is that we
should up the database cache to its max on the FM server which we have
done (its at 800mb and wont go higher).
HELP!?!
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Since: Jan 10, 2008 Posts: 75
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:09 am
Post subject: Re: Speed issues using FM 9 Server on Win2k3 [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On 2008-12-10 10:32:11 -0800, Hans Besjes said:
> This could be the source of (or part of) the problems you are
> experiencing. To test if this is the case (or at least a contributing
> factor), you might want to isolate your FileMaker network.
> Setup the FileMaker server and 1 FileMaker client on a totally separate
> network, either by using a separate switch (preferably not-managed, so
> there can be no wrong settings), or even by hooking them up directly
> via a cross-cable...
Good suggestions from Hans. In addition, if any of your switches have
an "auto-sensing" feature that is turned on, turn it off. Having it on
is a common cause of random disconnects.
Slow performance is often caused by poor database design such as having
summary fields on data entry screens, having a drop-down list populated
from a field in a table with too many source records, or viewing
portals with multiple-predicates, a complex portal-sort, and a lot of
records to display.
However, if this is a commercial product, I'm sure that all these
issues have been optimized.
In addition to the server/single workstation test above, you might
consider doing a totally stand-alone test with the CRM software
installed on a machine by itself. Some operations actually work faster
on a server than on a single-user machine, but in general, if it's a
dog on the network, it's going to be at least a puppy on stand-alone. A
badly designed database will show perceptible delays in single-user,
especially with high record counts. If it's lightning fast on
stand-alone, then the issue is indeed in server hardware/OS or network.
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Lynn Allen
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Since: Nov 28, 2008 Posts: 33
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:25 pm
Post subject: Re: Speed issues using FM 9 Server on Win2k3 [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Hi Lynn,
Although I agree with most of what you wrote, I do have serious issues with the current stability and performance of FileMaker 9 (Advanced).
I have a database with the biggest table having some 25.000 records, and most of displaying of info is SLOW.
I have a different movie database still in FileMaker Pro 6, with a total of over 800.000 records (main tables with anywhere from 45.000 to 240.000 records), that is in comparison very fast...
Also stability is becoming more of an issue.
Whenever I close a secondary window on the database, in about 50% of the cases (all of them "reported"), FileMaker simply crashes...
I am seriously beginning to doubt the quality of the coding...
Hans Besjes
On 12/10/2008 20:09:11 Lynn Allen wrote:
> This could be the source of (or part of) the problems you are
>> experiencing. To test if this is the case (or at least a contributing
>> factor), you might want to isolate your FileMaker network. Setup the
>> FileMaker server and 1 FileMaker client on a totally separate network,
>> either by using a separate switch (preferably not-managed, so there can
>> be no wrong settings), or even by hooking them up directly via a
>> cross-cable...
> Good suggestions from Hans. In addition, if any of your switches have an
> "auto-sensing" feature that is turned on, turn it off. Having it on is a
> common cause of random disconnects.
> Slow performance is often caused by poor database design such as having
> summary fields on data entry screens, having a drop-down list populated
> from a field in a table with too many source records, or viewing portals
> with multiple-predicates, a complex portal-sort, and a lot of records to
> display.
> However, if this is a commercial product, I'm sure that all these issues
> have been optimized.
> In addition to the server/single workstation test above, you might
> consider doing a totally stand-alone test with the CRM software installed
> on a machine by itself. Some operations actually work faster on a server
> than on a single-user machine, but in general, if it's a dog on the
> network, it's going to be at least a puppy on stand-alone. A badly
> designed database will show perceptible delays in single-user, especially
> with high record counts. If it's lightning fast on stand-alone, then the
> issue is indeed in server hardware/OS or network. >> Stay informed about: Speed issues using FM 9 Server on Win2k3 |
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Since: Jan 10, 2008 Posts: 75
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:25 pm
Post subject: Re: Speed issues using FM 9 Server on Win2k3 [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On 2008-12-10 12:12:56 -0800, Hans Besjes said:
> Although I agree with most of what you wrote, I do have serious issues
> with the current stability and performance of FileMaker 9 (Advanced).
>
> I have a database with the biggest table having some 25.000 records,
> and most of displaying of info is SLOW.
In other anecdotes, I've found FM9 to be both faster and more stable
than 6, over all. Crashes are rare, most often being caused by network
hiccups between me and the server. Crashes when the files are on my
hard drive have been non-existent. This is on both Windows and OSX.
>
> I have a different movie database still in FileMaker Pro 6, with a
> total of over 800.000 records (main tables with anywhere from 45.000 to
> 240.000 records), that is in comparison very fast...
Well, without seeing the structure of both and the data you're trying
to display, I can't answer as to the relative speed of either db. I've
got dbs with more than a million tiny records, lightning fast. I've got
small tables with lots of calcs and summary fields that take a fair
amount of time to display and/or print. Like I said before, there are
elements one wants to avoid to optimize performance. Another
performance-killer people rarely pay attention to is non-FM-native
graphic elements, whether used as buttons or screen objects, or
displayed in container fields. Without seeing what's on the screen, no
one can diagnose what's slowing db A down.
>
> Also stability is becoming more of an issue.
>
> Whenever I close a secondary window on the database, in about 50% of
> the cases (all of them "reported"), FileMaker simply crashes...
>
> I am seriously beginning to doubt the quality of the coding...
Make sure you're running the most recent update of FM9. That's always
good policy. For many past versions, corrupted screen objects can cause
crashing. Try closing your second window when it's on a blank layout
and see if it still crashes. There may be some element in your closing
script that causes conflicts. Like I say, I haven't encountered ANY of
these problems, and I'm using the same code you are.
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Lynn Allen
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Since: Nov 28, 2008 Posts: 33
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:25 pm
Post subject: Re: Speed issues using FM 9 Server on Win2k3 [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Hi Lynn,
On 12/10/2008 23:09:18 Lynn Allen wrote:
> Although I agree with most of what you wrote, I do have serious issues
>> with the current stability and performance of FileMaker 9 (Advanced).
>> I have a database with the biggest table having some 25.000 records, and
>> most of displaying of info is SLOW.
> In other anecdotes, I've found FM9 to be both faster and more stable than
> 6, over all. Crashes are rare, most often being caused by network hiccups
> between me and the server. Crashes when the files are on my hard drive
> have been non-existent. This is on both Windows and OSX.
When I started with FM 9 it also looked that way, but sadly ;(
>> I have a different movie database still in FileMaker Pro 6, with a total
>> of over 800.000 records (main tables with anywhere from 45.000 to 240.000
>> records), that is in comparison very fast...
> Well, without seeing the structure of both and the data you're trying to
> display, I can't answer as to the relative speed of either db. I've got
> dbs with more than a million tiny records, lightning fast. I've got small
> tables with lots of calcs and summary fields that take a fair amount of
> time to display and/or print. Like I said before, there are elements one
> wants to avoid to optimize performance. Another performance-killer people
> rarely pay attention to is non-FM-native graphic elements, whether used as
> buttons or screen objects, or displayed in container fields. Without
> seeing what's on the screen, no one can diagnose what's slowing db A down.
Since I have been able to "optimize" a big FileMaker 6 application I should be able to "optimize" a much smaller FM 9 application. But sofar I haven't been able to figure out what the biggest power draw is.
Even stripping one of the problem layouts to its bare minimum didn't help much...
>> Also stability is becoming more of an issue.
>> Whenever I close a secondary window on the database, in about 50% of the
>> cases (all of them "reported"), FileMaker simply crashes...
>> I am seriously beginning to doubt the quality of the coding...
> Make sure you're running the most recent update of FM9.
I always do
> That's always
> good policy. For many past versions, corrupted screen objects can cause
> crashing.
Don't reeally believe that's the case. The same layout(s) (ALL layouts) are also used in the primary window, and do not cause problems...
> Try closing your second window when it's on a blank layout and
> see if it still crashes. There may be some element in your closing script
> that causes conflicts.
There are no scripts involved.
I am processing a long list of records with updates in accompanying webpages. Whenever I came across something that "needs a background check" I open a 2nd window and tackle that "problem", sometimes only looking up data and checking it; sometimes this involves adding and/or changing several records...
Whenever I finish this "sideline" I close the secondary window, and then the fun starts ;(
FileMaker Pro 9 however seems a lot more robust aginst file corruptions, that's an advantage - although of course I would rather have FileMaker not crash at all...
Like I say, I haven't encountered ANY of these
> problems, and I'm using the same code you are.
Lucky for you
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Since: Jan 10, 2008 Posts: 75
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:25 pm
Post subject: Re: Speed issues using FM 9 Server on Win2k3 [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On 2008-12-10 14:43:59 -0800, Hans Besjes said:
> Like I say, I haven't encountered ANY of these
>> problems, and I'm using the same code you are.
>
> Lucky for you
Okay, let's put luck and anecdotes aside here. I'm in regular
communication with about 150 other FM developer locally and world-wide.
Not one of them is having the problems you report. Yes, some have
occasionally had a crash. But no one is having them as regularly and
reproduceably as you seem to. And these are developers who have every
conceivable deployment, including web interfaces.
So I can only conclude there's some element other than the FM app code
involved.
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Since: Nov 28, 2008 Posts: 33
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:25 pm
Post subject: Re: Speed issues using FM 9 Server on Win2k3 [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Hi,
On 12/11/2008 01:17:33 Lynn Allen wrote:
> Like I say, I haven't encountered ANY of these
>>> problems, and I'm using the same code you are.
>> Lucky for you
> Okay, let's put luck and anecdotes aside here. I'm in regular
> communication with about 150 other FM developer locally and world-wide.
> Not one of them is having the problems you report. Yes, some have
> occasionally had a crash. But no one is having them as regularly and
> reproduceably as you seem to. And these are developers who have every
> conceivable deployment, including web interfaces.
> So I can only conclude there's some element other than the FM app code
> involved.
No, nothing else, just straight FileMaker 9 Advanced...
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Since: Apr 08, 2008 Posts: 12
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:28 pm
Post subject: Re: Speed issues using FM 9 Server on Win2k3 [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Hans Besjes wrote:
> No, nothing else, just straight FileMaker 9 Advanced...
well, we are a good number not having such things, so FMP is probably
not the problem.
Someone said about some graphics (buttons ?) ; we had already seen
problems with some fonts..
You didn't give us the exact configuration.
Is your datafile hosted on the W2K3 server with FMP server, or FMP
standard ?
I can't imagine that the file is hosted on W2K3 and opened by a station
on the network... but in some configuration, this can happen and is a
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Since: Jan 06, 2009 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:17 am
Post subject: Re: Speed issues using FM 9 Server on Win2k3 [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Dec 10 2008, 3:40 pm, Oliver Marshall
wrote:
> Hi chaps,
>
> We have just had setup a new CRM package based around Filemaker Pro 9.
> However, the entire system runs like a dog. I mean slow, really slow.
> A list of to-do items (coloured text) containing some 20 entries may
> take around 2 minutes to appear in full. Each entry showing after
> about 2 to 4 seconds.
>
> We get lots of "not responding" when waiting for different screen
> within the CRM app to load, which again can take minutes. One user
> this morning timed how long it took to show a drop down menu list of
> around 10 items from a form on one of the pages, that took 19 seconds
> to fully show it's contents.
>
> Now, we've been working with the CRM vendor who are miffed by the
> speed issues. The FM server is running on a Windows 2003 R2 32 bit
> server, 4GB of ram, Single Dual Core Xeon processor, lots of disk
> space (250GB spare at the mo). The performance charts for the servers
> processor, memory and disk queues (read and write) are so low as to be
> non-existant (processor averages around 3%, memory averages around
> 900mb used and disk queues are averaging around 0.5) and it's fair to
> say it's idling for most of the time.
>
> The workstations are XP and Vista. Various specs from single P4 up to
> multiple dual core processors, with 1GB minimum ram and up to 4GB.
>
> We have setup a brand new workstation running nothing but XP Sp3 and
> the CRM app (FM Pro 9). No AV, no search, no office. That also runs
> like a hound.
>
> We've updated all the drivers, firmware and bios on the server, and
> the event log shows nothing wrong at all. All the diags for the disk
> subsystem and network cards come back as fine, and we have also tried
> all the three network cards that are on the server, in turn, and
> clustered. We have also swapped out the switch (the sharp end of £1000
> of 3com gigabit voip hardware) for another one and replaced all the
> cables.
>
> Given that neither us or the vendor can find an issue with the
> infrastructure or hardware I think it has to be a server OS issue or a
> FM9 issue.
>
> Is there anything anyone can suggest from an FM point of view that we
> could try ? The only thing I have found online so far is that we
> should up the database cache to its max on the FM server which we have
> done (its at 800mb and wont go higher).
>
> HELP!?!
>
> O.
Hi Oliver,
If you've just migrated from version 6 to 9 then you might want to
take a look at the external data sources (File, Manage, External Data
Sources) and check that there aren't any references to old servers.
I've just migrated from 6 to 9 and had a similar problem with a file
taking 2 minutes to open which used to take 5 seconds (runs quite a
few scripts at start up). Now takes 3 seconds after I had cleared
references to the old servers.
Cheers
Rob >> Stay informed about: Speed issues using FM 9 Server on Win2k3 |
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