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abbeynormal

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:29 am
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Hi All,
I've read this thread because I'm experiencing a similiar problem. I have a
multi-user DB which is experiencing a lot of corruption; I'm in the process
of splitting it and putting a MDB on each users desktop. My problem is that
of the 10 users, 4 are at a lower version of access, so I can't distribute an
MDE to all users. I tried running one of our reports from the new FE (mdb) ,
and I got a lot of paging errors. It seemed to work better with an MDE, which
is what I'd like to use. My question is, would it be worth it to upgrade the
other 4 users so I can have everyone utilize an MDE? can I use a combo of
MDE/MDB or would that be a nightmare for me?
If MDB works just as well, should I go just stick with that?
Thanks for any infomation you can send my way....
"ThomasAJ" wrote:

 > I have a database that is split in two for code and data.
 >
 > Currently in my small LAN I point users' desktop icons to CODE.MDB that is
 > on the main PC. Is it better from "data corruption (ie DATA.MDB)" perspective
 > to create a CODE.MDE and distribute that to the users' PCs.
 >
 > NOTE Please don't go into linked tables issues, licences etc.
 > I just want opinions on whether there is less chance of data corruption
 > should a user PC for example fail while the application is open. Or it makes
 > no difference.
 >
 > --
 > Regards
 > Tom<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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Larry Daugherty4

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:40 am
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Hi,

Tom;
It is better to distribute MDE rather than MDB. That way no one
accidentally or maliciously fiddles with your code. It will likely mean
more work for you to do when the network changes or the placement of the
back end is moved, etc.

Abbey;
Yours is a tougher issue and while the above suggestion holds true for you
as well, I suggest that you save a copy of your Front End in the earliest
version you have to support and make the MDE in that version after you've
fully debugged it and distribute that MDE to your users. Of course any cost
consideration has to take into account the value of your time and the depth
of your workload. It may be less expensive to simply force everyone to the
latest version that's already in place and debugged.

The usual causes of data corruption in the Access back ends: Users powering
off their PCs without going through an orderly shut-down. Flaky network
interface card(s) in the PC(s). Network problems. There is a bias toward
greater reliability with the MDE since no one can get into the code and
cause it to do something strange.

HTH
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"Abbey Normal" <AbbeyNormal DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9C4E2858-4658-4D6C-A44B-085735DB9301@microsoft.com...
 > Hi All,
 > I've read this thread because I'm experiencing a similiar problem. I have
a
 > multi-user DB which is experiencing a lot of corruption; I'm in the
process
 > of splitting it and putting a MDB on each users desktop. My problem is
that
 > of the 10 users, 4 are at a lower version of access, so I can't distribute
an
 > MDE to all users. I tried running one of our reports from the new FE (mdb)
,
 > and I got a lot of paging errors. It seemed to work better with an MDE,
which
 > is what I'd like to use. My question is, would it be worth it to upgrade
the
 > other 4 users so I can have everyone utilize an MDE? can I use a combo of
 > MDE/MDB or would that be a nightmare for me?
 > If MDB works just as well, should I go just stick with that?
 > Thanks for any infomation you can send my way....
 > "ThomasAJ" wrote:
 >
  > > I have a database that is split in two for code and data.
  > >
  > > Currently in my small LAN I point users' desktop icons to CODE.MDB that
is
  > > on the main PC. Is it better from "data corruption (ie DATA.MDB)"
perspective
  > > to create a CODE.MDE and distribute that to the users' PCs.
  > >
  > > NOTE Please don't go into linked tables issues, licences etc.
  > > I just want opinions on whether there is less chance of data corruption
  > > should a user PC for example fail while the application is open. Or it
makes
  > > no difference.
  > >
  > > --
  > > Regards
  > > Tom<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->

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Roger Carlson

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:24 pm
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I didn't see the other thread, so I don't know if this answer has been given
already, but...

Corruption is most often caused by network issues; a bad NIC, bad hub,
electrical interference on a segment, etc. However, I have heard of reports
of database corruption when using different versions of Access to hit the
same tables (back-end database). Before you investigate network problems
(which can be expensive) you should get all of the users on the same version
of Access.

In corruption terms, there is no difference between and MDE or an MDB as far
as I know. That said, I always prefer to give my users an MDE if at all
possible, as it keeps them from messing up the application. So by all
means, your first step is to upgrade to the same version. Second, make the
FE an MDE. If you still have corruption issues, look at your network.

For more on corruption, look here:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/tipsindex.htm" target="_blank">http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/tipsindex.htm</a> for Tony Toew's Corrupt
Database FAQ


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"Abbey Normal" <AbbeyNormal.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9C4E2858-4658-4D6C-A44B-085735DB9301@microsoft.com...
 > Hi All,
 > I've read this thread because I'm experiencing a similiar problem. I have
a
 > multi-user DB which is experiencing a lot of corruption; I'm in the
process
 > of splitting it and putting a MDB on each users desktop. My problem is
that
 > of the 10 users, 4 are at a lower version of access, so I can't distribute
an
 > MDE to all users. I tried running one of our reports from the new FE (mdb)
,
 > and I got a lot of paging errors. It seemed to work better with an MDE,
which
 > is what I'd like to use. My question is, would it be worth it to upgrade
the
 > other 4 users so I can have everyone utilize an MDE? can I use a combo of
 > MDE/MDB or would that be a nightmare for me?
 > If MDB works just as well, should I go just stick with that?
 > Thanks for any infomation you can send my way....
 > "ThomasAJ" wrote:
 >
  > > I have a database that is split in two for code and data.
  > >
  > > Currently in my small LAN I point users' desktop icons to CODE.MDB that
is
  > > on the main PC. Is it better from "data corruption (ie DATA.MDB)"
perspective
  > > to create a CODE.MDE and distribute that to the users' PCs.
  > >
  > > NOTE Please don't go into linked tables issues, licences etc.
  > > I just want opinions on whether there is less chance of data corruption
  > > should a user PC for example fail while the application is open. Or it
makes
  > > no difference.
  > >
  > > --
  > > Regards
  > > Tom<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Tony Toews

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Since: Feb 19, 2004
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:56 pm
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"Roger Carlson" <NO-Rog3erc-SPAM.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:

 >Corruption is most often caused by network issues; a bad NIC, bad hub,
 >electrical interference on a segment, etc. However, I have heard of reports
 >of database corruption when using different versions of Access to hit the
 >same tables (back-end database). Before you investigate network problems
 >(which can be expensive) you should get all of the users on the same version
 >of Access.

Actually the key factor is the version of Jet. I don't think much
corruption comes from having different versions or SPs of Access.
Although you should definitely be at the latest SP for your version of
Access.

In his situation splitting the MDB is the first priority.

Tony
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Tony Toews

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:59 pm
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Abbey Normal <AbbeyNormal.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

 >I've read this thread because I'm experiencing a similiar problem. I have a
 >multi-user DB which is experiencing a lot of corruption; I'm in the process
 >of splitting it and putting a MDB on each users desktop. My problem is that
 >of the 10 users, 4 are at a lower version of access, so I can't distribute an
 >MDE to all users.

Yes, you can distribute an older version of the MDE to users. If you
have a mixed set of A2000, A2002 and/or A2003 then make the MDE in the
oldest version of Access.

If A97 is also in your mix then make an A97 MDE and distribute that
one to your A97 users. And A2000 MDE to your A2000 and newer users.

 >I tried running one of our reports from the new FE (mdb) ,
 >and I got a lot of paging errors.

Please be more specific than "paging errors". What is the exact
message.

  >> Currently in my small LAN I point users' desktop icons to CODE.MDB that is
  >> on the main PC. Is it better from "data corruption (ie DATA.MDB)" perspective
  >> to create a CODE.MDE and distribute that to the users' PCs.

  >> NOTE Please don't go into linked tables issues, licences etc.
  >> I just want opinions on whether there is less chance of data corruption
  >> should a user PC for example fail while the application is open. Or it makes
  >> no difference.

Yes, giving each user their own copy of the FE MDB/MDE is your first
priority in reducing corruptions.

Next is ensuring that they are all at the same Jet SP. What I've
done is use the various API calls available and am checking the
version number and date/time of a crucial dll, msjetxx.dll, to ensure
it matches what I have on my system. See the Verify Appropriate Jet
Service Pack is installed page at my website for more details
including sample code: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.granite.ab.ca" target="_blank">www.granite.ab.ca</a>\access\verifyjetsp.htm

Tony
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read the entire thread of messages.
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<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm" target="_blank">http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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